Understandably, this forum focuses mostly on early stage game and getting laid. This is a different consideration from the short term benefits to dating a certain nationality of woman. For instance, she may be extremely feminine, may take care of herself, be extremely sensual, sexual and a host of other great qualities that overwhelm you in the beginning. However, eventually, the bad qualities will come out. Many, but not all, of which seem to be a result of culture. She may be histrionic, may want to control your life, may be extremely jealous, may hold grudges, may want to be too dominant, may be too stubborn, etc... In other words, the bad stuff will creep out, usually after about the 8 month mark if not before, even with women that otherwise seemed great. Please don't take offense if your women are named as being less than desirable. My Best Quality GF: A foreign born Persian. Absolutely nothing to complain about, except for the religious hang-ups. So feminine and sensual, yet smart and rational. Not slutty but extremely sexy, and nice. Would make a great long term gf if it weren't for the religion. If a guy wants to commit, then you probably cant go wrong. They also tend to be above average in the looks department, on a per capita basis. GF that was the worst match for me: The African-American girl that I just broke up with. Way too hard headed, wannabe dominant, and masculine personality-wise for me, albeit gorgeous, a great sex partner, and a great caretaker. I had to get out before I made a bad mistake and got stuck to her for life. GFs that Im most ambivalent about however, they've comprised the majority of my girlfriends : American white girls. On average, they arent bad, they arent good, they just are. The hot ones are usually boring and the ugly ones somewhat fun, both of which leave me limp as a noodle. However, this is generalizing. But you have to deal with their feminism programming, no matter which you choose. Best to go for a smart and pretty small town girl for the one that you can stand for the long term, imo. If you can find a laid back one, they can be a good way to go all things considering. That is, if you don't mind being bored out your skull eventually and happy with what she's not, more than what she is. After some bad quality women, sometimes thats enough. The Wild Card GF: A foreign born Korean. Insanely sexy yet so crazy. However, my experience with asian women tells me that they are a complete crapshoot, in general. Hence, the wildcard category. My experience with my ex makes me nervous to get involved with another. At the same time, I cant stop thinking about getting involved with another. Maybe not a Korean though. Have no idea what the long term potential would be like with a good one. I think most of us can generally agree on what general characteristics the perfect woman would possess. Which nationality comes closest? I just broke up with an ethiopian girl acted more african american cultrure wise for the same reasons. And asian girlfreinds are definitly the wild card, because they can either be extremely devoted or completely ambivalent towards you. My best experience long term has been a german-canadian girl. She was super crazy in bed, completely devoted and just an all around cool chick. Excellent thread, looking forward to reading people's opinions. Of course, what makes a good long term partner for one may not be for another. Do you prefer a girl that is spontaneous, keeps you on your toes, and keeps things spicy? Or a girl that will be submissive and let you lead? They are polar opposites but some guys prefer one, some the other. In fact I've rarely seen one that's not overweight that's over 25. Scary thing is they keep dressing like they're hot. Generally speaking though the happiest couples I know the women are Conservative Christian mostly from smaller towns. Or a girl that will be submissive and let you lead? Being from the USA, I've had much more of the non-submissive type. After having both, I have to say that I strongly prefer the submissive type. Its just so much better for the relationship. Although some more dynamic women will fill the role that their man defines for them they will be submissive if their man is dominant, and dominant of he's submissive , most women either need to be dominant or need to be submissive to be happy on a day to day basis. I find that pathologically dominant women need men, who are happy being submissive, to be happy on a day-to-day basis. Yet those submissive men wind up not turning their women on sexually, after a while, and the women cheat or otherwise go cold sexually. The submissive men are generally 'kept' men, and miserable. Despite her dominant personality, the dominant woman still needs a dominant man to be turned on. No one ends up being happy in this type of relationship. I've been the guy who the dominant woman has cheated with. Although, I drove her crazy in in our day to day interaction because I wasn't submissive. So she kept her submissive boyfriend around for her day to day needs. Theres just too much conflicting instinct, for it to truly work, when a woman is the dominant one. A dominant woman being with a dominant man NEVER works without a lot of arguing over even simple things, which tends to be a veil for the constant fight for dominance. Most american men wind up learning to be submissive to a large degree. Even the ones who have an unwritten agreement with their wives that they will put on a dominant veneer in public, are fully controlled by their wives in private. With the divorce laws the way that they are, they have little choice if their woman demands to where the pants in the relationship. At this time, to be a long term option for me, she has to be submissive, if only by a small degree. As long as she respects that its at least 51% me and 49% her, in terms of who leads, then I can probably deal. The sad thing is that these women are increasingly rare in America. Unfortunately, conservative religious women, who consciously abide by their traditional roles as dictated in their religion, make up a large percentage of submissive women in America. At this point in time, and likely forevermore, dominant women are a huge turnoff for me. I have often had all of my sexual energy sapped from me when a woman acts too dominant for my taste. My recent ex, alluded to in my first post, can attest to this fact. Its like an instant cold shower. I enjoy, nay, I have to lead to be happy. These women tend to want to continuously challenge that role. However, if it seems that the 'spicy' yet submissive woman would be my ideal. I don't think that I will find her in the United States though. Eastern Europe girls have been the best nationality I´ve dated Poland, Czech and Estonia , they are woman, know they are woman and want to be treated like woman. They are submissve, but not needy. I hear all this talk about them being gold diggers, but haven´t met one yet. Dominant girls from western countries are tiring after a while. The only flaw in EE girls is their lack of humour. You need to go to Mex and swoop on the daughters of the wealthy families. LOL, Okay duly noted.. I feel sorry for the Mexican girls here as they have a Logan's Run style life clock, except instead of Death at Carousel they get exploding hips and thighs. Hydrogonian's post is spot on. I USED to be one of those guys that loved dating super-intelligent women that challenged me. Conversation was good, things were lively, the sex was always great, etc. I'm just getting too old for that shit now.. I don't want to argue over every little thing and fight with my woman over who has the bigger penis. They're passionate but very family-oriented and really strive to please their man. I could see myself marrying one. Just don't cheat on them! I certainly cannot stand a dumb bitch that does not get humor or cannot understand the basic concepts of stuff I like or am into. Same for some latinas, depending on where you go. As far as the excitement vs. DO you want many many girls? I mean its sort of a catch 22. If you ever want to settle down and have family, you would be best served looking for a kind, faithful, feminine and caring woman to help you raise a family. To me that is the most important thing people need to get from all this game stuff. Keeping control, maintaining your independence, maintaining your sex drive, bieng happy with a woman that will not ruin your life, remove your friends, tell you what to do and fuck your cousin. My 'top 3-girls in the sack' are strangely enough all brazilian! That says a lot, I think. They are feminine, passionate and devoted to giving a man pleasure. They even have humour. Don't know how they are like as long term partners, but I would like to find out. Yeah, I never have gone to Brazil yet, but the one's I've met here in the states are A OK in my book. I've said it before and beebopaloo, you are right. Asside from bieng sexy, they are just fun. Most of them have a good sense of humor and even when I wasn't trying to hook up, I found mysely having a good time just chilling and talking to Brasilieras. I certainly cannot stand a dumb bitch that does not get humor or cannot understand the basic concepts of stuff I like or am into. Same for some latinas, depending on where you go. As far as the excitement vs. DO you want many many girls? I mean its sort of a catch 22. If you ever want to settle down and have family, you would be best served looking for a kind, faithful, feminine and caring woman to help you raise a family. To me that is the most important thing people need to get from all this game stuff. Keeping control, maintaining your independence, maintaining your sex drive, bieng happy with a woman that will not ruin your life, remove your friends, tell you what to do and fuck your cousin. I couldn't have put it better. I especially love 3 and the last paragraph. As a related thought, I don't think that intelligence and femininity are mutually exclusive. Although, this doesn't guarantee it. There are plenty of higher social class women who buy into the 'strong woman' masculine BS. I know one hyper masculine, hyper competitive, extremely intelligent woman a Federal D. I can almost see the pain in her face when she's acting. However, the masculinity oozes out anyway. She's my personal nightmare, but I digress... In todays America, it may even REQUIRE a more intelligent woman to think past the feminist brainwashing that seems to now be indoctrinated into society. A truly smart woman will have the emotional intelligence needed to do her part to make her relationship work and to assume the role that best works toward that end. It doesn't mean not having a spine, but it does mean playing the feminine role. But this, of course, isn't a rule. A girl of any class and education could have a great upbringing and be a shining example of femininity. I think her parents behavior ultimately shape the way that she will view her role in any relationship. In countries other than the first world western countries, traditional family values seem to be better instilled in women, leading them to be more feminine. In the west, if you were to examine a masculine girls parents, I bet that you will often see a masculine mother, a submissive father, or some other type of unbalanced or dysfunctional family dynamic. I think many girls are forced to become this way as a means of survival in a dysfunctional family, or from a bad maternal role model. Or maybe its just from an upbringing that is too liberal in terms of teaching the feminist values of the dominant and independent woman. Whatever their justification for teaching this, the end result is unhappy men and women in unbalanced relationships. In any village, there can only be one chief. Any more than that will cause problems. I would say definitely Nepalese. I usually try and avoid the whole the one that got away bs, because it breeds negativity, and because I rarely second guess my decisions. That said, a notable exception is how I fucked up my relationship with a former Nepalese girlfriend. Got drunk, banged some girl who came onto me and who happened to be a friend of a friend of someone who knew her, and ta-dah... Anyhow, back on point. She was exotic, US educated, really beautiful eyes, totally loyal and dependable unlike me. Really, a great girlfriend, and potential life partner. It has been a few years now, and I wonder why I did it, I think a combination of not wanting to get married, and also my inner manwhore. Its difficult enough to stop looking for it, but when it comes to you... Right on Hydro, I agree with the whole upbringing femininity thing above. An example I used before comparing Latin America with North America: Latinos have thier daughters ears pierced, dressed in pink, coming hair and playing with dolls from birth. We on the other hand seem to think we are doing our daughters a service by buying them a baseball glove and karate lessons for their 5th birthday. Funny, I remember sitting next to a guy on the plane who had shagged women all over the world, guy was uber rich and in his 50's, he had it broke down to.... He had a few more, but its been about 7 years, as I have gotten older I find he is spot on. I prefer women who are intelligent and have will and an opinion, but realize the man is the head of the house hold. Like the guys here feminine. Not the NYC girls who want to fight over the pants at every battle. On a side note I will say some of the stronger women american wise just test the shit out guys and if you can keep em in check there comes a point where they bow to a mans power. Still a pain in the ass after 7 years of dealing with them. I love latinas, but they cheat a lot, even the girls, hell I am here with a brasilian girl, I was with her before and after her BF was here. I hear that asian women almost never cheat. I would lean towards Filipina's and Japanese girls due to that, tho I have never been there. I love the look of EE women, but they seem so cold and calculating. I love colombians, they are so sweet, sexy, great in bed, but I so many have cheated on me with their boyfriends..... I think when you have really good game, you get disenfranchised with women because you know how easy they cheat, almost ALL of them. Its still the rare girl that I cant get past the whole, I have a BF thing and shag her. I would say a nice midwest girl is probably great too, but I love how asian women keep thier bodies as they get older. Like 3am said, I always check out the mom if I am thinking long term, I should be a little attracted to the mom because she will end up looking like her mom 90% of the time. The part with the Latina's is a bit skewed, because I think allot of N. American and European men go to latin countries and find gorgeuos girls hanging out in clubs and bars drinking and partying, and assume that because they are out banging all Latin women are. Another reason is especially Norther and Westerm European dudes are very hands off and relaxed with their girlfriends. They are too trusting. There are tons of good latina's but the ones that are going to be most loyal are probably not going to be the ones you pick up at a club. The best latin girls are most often met through family barbecues, work, school etc and usually are VERY slow moving and old fashioned, but once you get there, worth the wait. They are also very good with children and coddle male babies more than even Italians I think. I think the problem with knowing women and gaming is that you become caloused. I personally catch myself gravitating with certain types of girls and just becoming comfortable with that. So instead of waiting patiently for the good girl who will be loyal and respectful to her man, I end up taking the fast route to the girl with the fake tits who is open to me having a 3 some with her and her gf's. Of course you expect her to be full of drama, non trustworhty, possibly dirty etc. After a while, I just start to see all girls like that, but really its just me, it's the girls I've been selecting. Maybe I just don't want to wait and be patient only to be dissapointed by a boring girl though... Nope, I agree with most of what you said Rocco, but I lived in Colombia for a time, and have hung out in Spanish mostly colombian communities for the past 7 years or so here in the US, I know them quite well. You are right about the hands off thing with latinas too. Simple fact is they cheat A LOT and the men it's expected and the women hide behind, I dont want to hurt him so I will never tell, it just happened. We wont even get into the Primos! Obviously I am stereotyping, but its what I've seen, a culture of infidelity, and while I like to play the field I wont cheat on a GF and I dont want her cheating on me. I had one Persian girl, much older than me at the time... Clr: yeah I know about the Primo's in Colombia etc. I do know that the men cheat their asses off too, which is part of the reason the women are insanely jealous... One thing I also noticed is that when some of the Latin American girls come to the USA they go crazy. If they tried to pull that shit in Mexico or El Salvador, the communities talk more and they get caught. When they get to insert any big city USA they can roam around meeting latino, gringos etc, anonomosly and they do just that hahha.... They are high on jealousy and like to do things strictly for appearances showing off, making up stories, name dropping. I have a few Persian guy friends, but I haven't been able to connect with Persian women. I only dated one. Maybe I just got lucky with her. Based on what you say, that may be what happened. She was just so damned sweet and innocent, I figured that other Persian women couldn't be all that different. But again, i'm talking about a foreign born girl and not one raised in North America. Her family was wealthy, but she was a music teacher.