https://bit.ly/3LZFTxl https://bit.ly/368Vo6O https://bit.ly/36ahbLx https://bit.ly/37ebpZC https://bit.ly/3E7UlRj https://bit.ly/3rpRZYJ https://bit.ly/3rpNg9n https://bit.ly/3vg4cjR by a Taken In Hand reader on 2005 Oct 18 - 02:30 | reply to this comment Race noted: I would find it hard to believe that a strong willed women would try to find comfort and connection with a lesser-willed man. One of the repeated themes on this website is that of women who are not able to find men to take them in hand. One reason that a strong woman might try to find that comfort with a lesser-willed man is that there aren't enough dominant men to go around. by a Taken In Hand reader on 2004 Oct 3 - 07:44 | reply to this comment It takes a strong woman to submit... to a strong man But when a man wishes to submit, it is assumed he is lesser-willed and weak. Hm. Why does it "take a strong woman to submit" but it doesn't "take a strong man to submit?" Women do not need to be strong to submit. However, a strong man often needs a woman to be strong if she is going to submit to him. A strong man could not use his full strength with a too-weak woman. He would have to hold back in order to avoid crushing her (metaphorically and/or literally). So, the point is, if a woman wants to submit to a strong man, she must be strong in her own right in order to meet his strength. Thus, the best hope for a taken in hand relationship might be between a man and woman who are nearly matched in strength. by a Taken In Hand reader on 2004 Oct 3 - 07:54 | reply to this comment Strength intertwined with dominance From the home page, in reference to this thread...