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Mindless obedience
If I'd wanted mindless obedience I'd have got a dog. I wanted a woman with a mind who would be obedient and follow my leadership, sure, but not to the point of imbecility or mindlessness. That's plain daft. I expect my wife to use her brain, not act as if she's had a lobotomy.

by a Taken In Hand reader on 2005 May 29 - 20:36 | reply to this comment
There should be no contest with obedience
In the specific issue given, I don't think there is going to be a problem. When a woman agrees to obey, she should be doing so with informed, rational consent, which includes the assumption that he is going to remain an informed, rational leader.

If he goes mad, or becomes someone other than himself because of drugs (temporarily or otherwise), then he is someone whom she has not agreed to obey. This might sound like rationalising double-speak but it is reality. Her decision should be made soberly, seriously and with knowledge and acceptance. As is pointed out, he will over time change anyway and if he changes so much that he is not the person she committed herself to, then she may re-evaluate her decision. This is one reason why a serious discussion on a relationship is worthwhile every now and then (such as on an anniversary).

by Interesdom on 2005 May 29 - 20:57 | reply to this comment
Out of Bounds...
Principles are invaluable in all walks of life. They guide you in your decision-making. Here is one of those principles:

All authority has limits - even that of the President of the United States, the most powerful man in the world (re: President Nixon / Watergate).

"I was just following orders," is a common defense plea that has been heard in cases involving the military, the government, relationships, and even marriages.

When authority exceeds the bounds of civil or moral law, its power is negated. We are held accountable to OBEDIENTLY follow the higher authority.

W remains SUBMISSIVE and OBEDIENT - but to an authority higher than M.

Sam (of Sam & Missy)

by Sam2020 on 2005 May 30 - 12:17 | reply to this comment
withdrwing consent?
Stephen, what do you mean by "withdraw consent"? Why does she need to take such a step? Why not just disobey as appropriate? When you talk of her "withdrawing consent" it sounds